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| | | Author: | SezaR  | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2024 15:53 | | Subject: | sets 357-1 and 570-1 | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| On the bottom of the inventory page of these sets, it is written:
The instructions do not show a trailer on the ladder truck, but actual set
contents and the official piece count (218) and an image of all three trailers
together on the box, prove that the set did come with the necessary pieces to
build the third trailer.
I found and bought an extra white-and-black sheet from a Lego fan in Canada.
This is probably added as extra page for instructions of 357 to some copies of
this set. I say some, because I had not seen this sheet. I bought myself this
set with box and all parts from a Canadian seller in very good condition but
this sheet was not there neither.
The paper I bought might be itself a copy of an original one because the bottom
of the page seems to not been copies (the bottom rectangle don't have a line
and there is no number on the footprint). I don't know how to verify whether
my sheet is original.
This extra sheet proves that the set did come with the necessary pieces to build
the third trailer.
I suggest to modify the note for these two sets:
The instructions do not show a trailer on the ladder truck, but one extra printed
page was added to some copies of this set (see the extra photo of instructions'
page) and actual set contents and the official piece count (218) and an image
of all three trailers together on the box, prove that the set did come with the
necessary pieces to build the third trailer.
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2024 22:39 | | Subject: | Re: sets 357-1 and 570-1 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog Requests, SezaR writes:
| | On the bottom of the inventory page of these sets, it is written:
The instructions do not show a trailer on the ladder truck, but actual set
contents and the official piece count (218) and an image of all three trailers
together on the box, prove that the set did come with the necessary pieces to
build the third trailer.
I found and bought an extra white-and-black sheet from a Lego fan in Canada.
This is probably added as extra page for instructions of 357 to some copies of
this set. I say some, because I had not seen this sheet. I bought myself this
set with box and all parts from a Canadian seller in very good condition but
this sheet was not there neither.
The paper I bought might be itself a copy of an original one because the bottom
of the page seems to not been copies (the bottom rectangle don't have a line
and there is no number on the footprint). I don't know how to verify whether
my sheet is original.
This extra sheet proves that the set did come with the necessary pieces to build
the third trailer.
I suggest to modify the note for these two sets:
The instructions do not show a trailer on the ladder truck, but one extra printed
page was added to some copies of this set (see the extra photo of instructions'
page) and actual set contents and the official piece count (218) and an image
of all three trailers together on the box, prove that the set did come with the
necessary pieces to build the third trailer.
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I checked this instructions sheet and it looks an old paper and is somehow yellowed.
The type and quality of the paper is similar to other original Lego knes i own.
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| | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Feb 8, 2024 01:24 | | Subject: | Re: sets 357-1 and 570-1 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog Requests, SezaR writes:
| | On the bottom of the inventory page of these sets, it is written:
The instructions do not show a trailer on the ladder truck, but actual set
contents and the official piece count (218) and an image of all three trailers
together on the box, prove that the set did come with the necessary pieces to
build the third trailer.
I found and bought an extra white-and-black sheet from a Lego fan in Canada.
This is probably added as extra page for instructions of 357 to some copies of
this set. I say some, because I had not seen this sheet. I bought myself this
set with box and all parts from a Canadian seller in very good condition but
this sheet was not there neither.
The paper I bought might be itself a copy of an original one because the bottom
of the page seems to not been copies (the bottom rectangle don't have a line
and there is no number on the footprint). I don't know how to verify whether
my sheet is original.
This extra sheet proves that the set did come with the necessary pieces to build
the third trailer.
I suggest to modify the note for these two sets:
The instructions do not show a trailer on the ladder truck, but one extra printed
page was added to some copies of this set (see the extra photo of instructions'
page) and actual set contents and the official piece count (218) and an image
of all three trailers together on the box, prove that the set did come with the
necessary pieces to build the third trailer.
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Your thoughts about the missing line and number were right. But it's not
a copy of an additional sheet for sets 357 and 570, but it's a black and
white copy of the instruction of set 640-1, released by Samsonite of Canada.
Truck and trailer seems to look the same, but are not.
Released in Europe, Australia and Canada
Released only in USA
Released in Europe and in Canada by Samsonite
You bought this sheet separately, but submitted the image as an instruction for
both set 357 and 570, without any proof that it actually came in these sets.
In the attached image you can see that
1. your image is an exact copy of the Samsonite Canada 640 instruction;
which will never have been added to a set (570-1 in this case) that was not produced
by Samsonite Canada
2. if you compare the instruction of the images of 640 and 357 (570 is the same)
you can see that there is a difference in color of one of the 1x1 plates on top;
which also proofs that it doesn't belong to set 357.
Besides that, if it really would have been an original additional sheet, it would
probably have had it's own number, like this set has
Imo your paper is a copy made by someone, who deliberately
- wiped out the bottom of the instruction
- made it in black and white
Therefore this request and both your image submissions can't be approved.
As an addition to point 1.
If you think you found evidence for a set, imo you should never conclude that
it is the same in a similar set released in different countries. This is already
done too many times in the past in my opinion. There is a big difference in boxes,
instructions and contents in sets produced by Samsonite.
Diana
PS I have two different instructions of 640 produced by Samsonite Canada, the
one without System in the Logo comes from a sealed set I bought years ago. Contents
of both is the same.
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| | | | | | | Author: | CBak | | Posted: | Feb 8, 2024 09:30 | | Subject: | Re: sets 357-1 and 570-1 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | As an addition to point 1.
If you think you found evidence for a set, imo you should never conclude that
it is the same in a similar set released in different countries. This is already
done too many times in the past in my opinion. There is a big difference in boxes,
instructions and contents in sets produced by Samsonite.
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I know it's at the bottom of the list of priorities, but is there any possibility
that Samsonite could be recognized as it's own category? I ran into this
before, and wondered why they aren't seen as being different enough to merit
their own catalog entries.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Feb 8, 2024 10:26 | | Subject: | Re: sets 357-1 and 570-1 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, CBak writes:
| | | | As an addition to point 1.
If you think you found evidence for a set, imo you should never conclude that
it is the same in a similar set released in different countries. This is already
done too many times in the past in my opinion. There is a big difference in boxes,
instructions and contents in sets produced by Samsonite.
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I know it's at the bottom of the list of priorities, but is there any possibility
that Samsonite could be recognized as it's own category? I ran into this
before, and wondered why they aren't seen as being different enough to merit
their own catalog entries.
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https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?pg=1&catLike=W&searchMethod=searchBoth&catType=S&catID=395
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Canada, British Columbia
Netherlands, Gelderland
USA, New York