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| | | Author: | amthatkindoforc  | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2021 20:28 | | Subject: | Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 116 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | | For: | Catalog Associate | | Status: | Completed | |
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| I found this variant of with blocky supports for the pins, which
makes it impossible to place plates beneath it unlike 30157. "40687" and "© LEGO"
are molded into it.
This was in a I bought in the last week. Checking build videos from
when the set was initially released confirms that the original release had the
thin, straight supports of 30157.
Anyone seen this before?
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| | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2021 21:28 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Identification, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | I found this variant of with blocky supports for the pins, which
makes it impossible to place plates beneath it unlike 30157. "40687" and "© LEGO"
are molded into it.
This was in a I bought in the last week. Checking build videos from
when the set was initially released confirms that the original release had the
thin, straight supports of 30157.
Anyone seen this before?
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It’s in the Additional Notes:
This part has variants with multiple differences, most noticeably in the thick
supports at the bases of the pins.
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| | | | | | | Author: | amthatkindoforc | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2021 22:41 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Identification, jbroman writes:
| | It’s in the Additional Notes:
This part has variants with multiple differences, most noticeably in the thick
supports at the bases of the pins.
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This variant interferes with the functionality of the piece though, and isn't
shown in the variant images. Should its image and its new design ID be added
to the 30157 entry, or should it be considered a different piece entirely?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2021 00:47 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Identification, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, jbroman writes:
| | It’s in the Additional Notes:
This part has variants with multiple differences, most noticeably in the thick
supports at the bases of the pins.
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This variant interferes with the functionality of the piece though, and isn't
shown in the variant images. Should its image and its new design ID be added
to the 30157 entry, or should it be considered a different piece entirely?
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It doesn't in this set, but I agree it could in other sets.
There are different design numbers for this part:
From the instructions:
Element 4270882
Design Number 30157
From LEGO Bricks & Pieces:
Element 6351292
Design Number 40687
Both element numbers redirect to 30157 in Reddish Brown
The design number 40687 isn't found in BrickLink.
Brickset has 30157 in Reddish Brown only produced in three sets from 1999-2003
and then 40687 produced in 13 sets from from 2016 - 2021.
Rebrickable redirects 40657 to 30157.
There are a few options:
1. Add 40687 as an alternate item number to 30157
2. Add 40687 as a new part as a variant to 30157
3. Leave it as is
I'm leaning towards 2, but an admin should probably weigh in on that one.
It would affect the most sellers.
What is the number imprinted on your piece?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | amthatkindoforc | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2021 01:41 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Inventories, jbroman writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | This variant interferes with the functionality of the piece though, and isn't
shown in the variant images. Should its image and its new design ID be added
to the 30157 entry, or should it be considered a different piece entirely?
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It doesn't in this set, but I agree it could in other sets.
There are different design numbers for this part:
From the instructions:
Element 4270882
Design Number 30157
From LEGO Bricks & Pieces:
Element 6351292
Design Number 40687
Both element numbers redirect to 30157 in Reddish Brown
The design number 40687 isn't found in BrickLink.
Brickset has 30157 in Reddish Brown only produced in three sets from 1999-2003
and then 40687 produced in 13 sets from from 2016 - 2021.
Rebrickable redirects 40657 to 30157.
There are a few options:
1. Add 40687 as an alternate item number to 30157
2. Add 40687 as a new part as a variant to 30157
3. Leave it as is
I'm leaning towards 2, but an admin should probably weigh in on that one.
It would affect the most sellers.
What is the number imprinted on your piece?
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I should have been more clear - it is also not possible to place anything underneath
this piece even with a 1-plate gap in height. See step 72 of the set. My attempt
to push things into place caused the 2 underneath to pop off, despite
a 1x2 plate sandwiched between them and this piece.
The number molded into this piece is 40687. I checked my too and
it contains two 40687s as well.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2021 05:33 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Inventories, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | I should have been more clear - it is also not possible to place anything underneath
this piece even with a 1-plate gap in height. See step 72 of the set. My attempt
to push things into place caused the 2 underneath to pop off, despite
a 1x2 plate sandwiched between them and this piece.
The number molded into this piece is 40687. I checked my too and
it contains two 40687s as well.
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Many thanks for letting us know about this new part variant.
So you are saying it is not possible to build the set
with this new variant that came in your set?
In that case the new type should definitely be added as a new entry to the catalog.
I think we don't need to split the older entry because 40687 is a *very*
new part. Sets from this summer still had the old mold:
https://youtu.be/QuUHYIEI-sw?t=321
And I would also suggest to contact the customer service, and please let us know
what they tell you about this issue. I'm very curious if they still have
the old type in stock and can send it to you. (Make sure to describe the issue
in detail otherwise I see a risk they just assume you got a damaged part and
send you the new variant again to replace it.)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | amthatkindoforc | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2021 15:56 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
| | Many thanks for letting us know about this new part variant.
So you are saying it is not possible to build the set
with this new variant that came in your set?
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Yes, that's correct.
| | In that case the new type should definitely be added as a new entry to the catalog.
I think we don't need to split the older entry because 40687 is a *very*
new part. Sets from this summer still had the old mold:
https://youtu.be/QuUHYIEI-sw?t=321
And I would also suggest to contact the customer service, and please let us know
what they tell you about this issue. I'm very curious if they still have
the old type in stock and can send it to you. (Make sure to describe the issue
in detail otherwise I see a risk they just assume you got a damaged part and
send you the new variant again to replace it.)
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I've asked for them to send a replacement part, but I think I will also contact
them to ask about the part variant specifically.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2021 22:06 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
| | Many thanks for letting us know about this new part variant.
So you are saying it is not possible to build the set
with this new variant that came in your set?
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Yes, that's correct.
| | In that case the new type should definitely be added as a new entry to the catalog.
I think we don't need to split the older entry because 40687 is a *very*
new part. Sets from this summer still had the old mold:
https://youtu.be/QuUHYIEI-sw?t=321
And I would also suggest to contact the customer service, and please let us know
what they tell you about this issue. I'm very curious if they still have
the old type in stock and can send it to you. (Make sure to describe the issue
in detail otherwise I see a risk they just assume you got a damaged part and
send you the new variant again to replace it.)
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I've asked for them to send a replacement part, but I think I will also contact
them to ask about the part variant specifically.
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This new variant will be getting added to the catalog very shortly. Thanks for
bringing this to our attention. New variants that change building possibilities
for other sets get top priority when it comes to having new variants in the catalog.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2021 09:33 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
| | Many thanks for letting us know about this new part variant.
So you are saying it is not possible to build the set
with this new variant that came in your set?
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Yes, that's correct.
| | In that case the new type should definitely be added as a new entry to the catalog.
I think we don't need to split the older entry because 40687 is a *very*
new part. Sets from this summer still had the old mold:
https://youtu.be/QuUHYIEI-sw?t=321
And I would also suggest to contact the customer service, and please let us know
what they tell you about this issue. I'm very curious if they still have
the old type in stock and can send it to you. (Make sure to describe the issue
in detail otherwise I see a risk they just assume you got a damaged part and
send you the new variant again to replace it.)
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I've asked for them to send a replacement part, but I think I will also contact
them to ask about the part variant specifically.
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This new variant will be getting added to the catalog very shortly. Thanks for
bringing this to our attention. New variants that change building possibilities
for other sets get top priority when it comes to having new variants in the catalog.
Cheers,
Randy
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Is it a new variant though?
If another site has said that this part has existed since 2016, should we not
be checking the 13 sets (in reddish brown, not accounting for the other colours)
since then to see which part is actually included?
Those that inventoried the sets may not have realized there was a new variant
at the time. Especially since the new element number was linked to 30157, but
the new part number was not added as an alternate item number.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2021 09:37 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, jbroman writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
| | Many thanks for letting us know about this new part variant.
So you are saying it is not possible to build the set
with this new variant that came in your set?
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Yes, that's correct.
| | In that case the new type should definitely be added as a new entry to the catalog.
I think we don't need to split the older entry because 40687 is a *very*
new part. Sets from this summer still had the old mold:
https://youtu.be/QuUHYIEI-sw?t=321
And I would also suggest to contact the customer service, and please let us know
what they tell you about this issue. I'm very curious if they still have
the old type in stock and can send it to you. (Make sure to describe the issue
in detail otherwise I see a risk they just assume you got a damaged part and
send you the new variant again to replace it.)
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I've asked for them to send a replacement part, but I think I will also contact
them to ask about the part variant specifically.
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This new variant will be getting added to the catalog very shortly. Thanks for
bringing this to our attention. New variants that change building possibilities
for other sets get top priority when it comes to having new variants in the catalog.
Cheers,
Randy
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Is it a new variant though?
If another site has said that this part has existed since 2016, should we not
be checking the 13 sets (in reddish brown, not accounting for the other colours)
since then to see which part is actually included?
Those that inventoried the sets may not have realized there was a new variant
at the time. Especially since the new element number was linked to 30157, but
the new part number was not added as an alternate item number.
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Another question to ask is what is the date code on this particular set. That
will also give an indication of the age of this particular part (in this set).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2021 12:33 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, jbroman writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
| | Many thanks for letting us know about this new part variant.
So you are saying it is not possible to build the set
with this new variant that came in your set?
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Yes, that's correct.
| | In that case the new type should definitely be added as a new entry to the catalog.
I think we don't need to split the older entry because 40687 is a *very*
new part. Sets from this summer still had the old mold:
https://youtu.be/QuUHYIEI-sw?t=321
And I would also suggest to contact the customer service, and please let us know
what they tell you about this issue. I'm very curious if they still have
the old type in stock and can send it to you. (Make sure to describe the issue
in detail otherwise I see a risk they just assume you got a damaged part and
send you the new variant again to replace it.)
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I've asked for them to send a replacement part, but I think I will also contact
them to ask about the part variant specifically.
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This new variant will be getting added to the catalog very shortly. Thanks for
bringing this to our attention. New variants that change building possibilities
for other sets get top priority when it comes to having new variants in the catalog.
Cheers,
Randy
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Is it a new variant though?
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Yes. It's Element Number is in the 635xxxx range, which are currently or
very recently the range of numbers being used by LEGO for new parts.
| | If another site has said that this part has existed since 2016, should we not
be checking the 13 sets (in reddish brown, not accounting for the other colours)
since then to see which part is actually included?
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The other site has wrong data. Brickset uses data that comes directly from the
LEGO replacement parts service, but the data is far from perfect. LEGO usually
only lists the newest variant for their replacement parts, so they list it in
all sets that they are currently supporting replacement parts for whether the
original set came with the variant or not.
And as part of our roles, we usually do check prior sets just in case. 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2021 21:28 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, jbroman writes:
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Yes. It's Element Number is in the 635xxxx range, which are currently or
very recently the range of numbers being used by LEGO for new parts.
| | If another site has said that this part has existed since 2016, should we not
be checking the 13 sets (in reddish brown, not accounting for the other colours)
since then to see which part is actually included?
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The other site has wrong data. Brickset uses data that comes directly from the
LEGO replacement parts service, but the data is far from perfect. LEGO usually
only lists the newest variant for their replacement parts, so they list it in
all sets that they are currently supporting replacement parts for whether the
original set came with the variant or not.
And as part of our roles, we usually do check prior sets just in case.
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Thanks for the info Randy
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Dec 8, 2021 17:46 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | I found this variant of with blocky supports for the pins, which
makes it impossible to place plates beneath it unlike 30157. "40687" and "© LEGO"
are molded into it.
This was in a I bought in the last week. Checking build videos from
when the set was initially released confirms that the original release had the
thin, straight supports of 30157.
Anyone seen this before?
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This new variant has been added to the catalog.
I have also submitted an inventory change request to update the inventory of
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1317586
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 16:47 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
Additional note: The old variant
is correct for all 2021 sets that have been inventoried so far.
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| | | | | Author: | amthatkindoforc | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2022 21:51 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| After 2 months of back-and-forth and sending me the wrong, new mold multiple
times (including one order where I specifically asked for the old design ID and
they ended up making an order with the new design ID anyway), I finally got 2
of the old variant today. So it seems they're still making the old variant.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2022 06:00 | | Subject: | Re: Part 30157 / 40687 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, amthatkindoforc writes:
| | After 2 months of back-and-forth and sending me the wrong, new mold multiple
times (including one order where I specifically asked for the old design ID and
they ended up making an order with the new design ID anyway), I finally got 2
of the old variant today. So it seems they're still making the old variant.
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Many thanks for telling us about your experience. I had a feeling it would be
difficult to get the correct part from them because apparently they don't
differentiate between the old and new mold in their internal system. But good
to know they fixed the issue after all.
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