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| | | Author: | el_gordo  | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2018 06:59 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Light Gray {4085b Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - Type 2 (thin U clip) to 4085a Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - Type 1 (thin open O clip)}
Comments from Submitter:
Based on my own copy of the set (acquired in late 1986). None of my sets dated before 1987 ever had any "type 2", although perhaps they could have been alternates in sets with longer production runs.
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| | | | | Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2018 08:10 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Light Gray {4085b Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - Type 2 (thin U clip) to 4085a Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - Type 1 (thin open O clip)}
Comments from Submitter:
Based on my own copy of the set (acquired in late 1986). None of my sets dated before 1987 ever had any "type 2", although perhaps they could have been alternates in sets with longer production runs.
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Hi
Set was available till 1987.
Maybe type 2 came in the last run?
Same for the 4081a or -b part.
Best to have both in the set, first the -a and as alternate the -b type.
Part 4276a and -b already in inv.
Stefaan
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| | | | | | | Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2018 19:00 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| | Best to have both in the set, first the -a and as alternate the -b type.
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Agree.
But which should be primaries? First one used, last onde used, most common, depicted
in manual/box art, other criteria?
Pedro
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 04:05 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | But which should be primaries? First one used, last onde used, most common, depicted
in manual/box art, other criteria?
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You can find that information on this page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
The standard is that the most commonly-appearing part is the regular and the
less-common part is the alternate. I believe this standard was enacted to make
errors less likely when parting out sets.
However, I'm rather dissatisfied with that standard because it's somewhat
difficult to know which version of a part appeared more frequently, especially
for older sets. I'd prefer to see the variation which appeared first listed
as regular and any later variations listed as an alternates.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 11:34 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 96 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | The standard is that the most commonly-appearing part is the regular and the
less-common part is the alternate. I believe this standard was enacted to make
errors less likely when parting out sets.
However, I'm rather dissatisfied with that standard because it's somewhat
difficult to know which version of a part appeared more frequently, especially
for older sets. I'd prefer to see the variation which appeared first listed
as regular and any later variations listed as an alternates.
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Agreed. In fact, there's an extra layer of awkwardness in this set's
inventory - it is the only set from 1985 (and in fact, the first ever)
which lists type 4085b as primary.
It's been 15 years since the original inventory and therefore it'd be
preposterous to ask whether the souce was MISB or not; I strongly suspect
it not to have been so.
In fact, back in 2005 this element was mentioned here (in german): https://www.1000steine.de/de/gemeinschaft/forum/?entry=1&id=165413
as having a b-type since 1986, and a c-type since 1993. That discussion does
not prove anything in itself, and nonetheless... cries "uncommon" regarding b-type
in 1985. Which should be enough for now, as per the current standard
I'll follow elias3's lead and consider a-type as regular, and b-type
as alternate. Should I submit a brand new request, then?
Pedro
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 12:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 107 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | The standard is that the most commonly-appearing part is the regular and the
less-common part is the alternate. I believe this standard was enacted to make
errors less likely when parting out sets.
However, I'm rather dissatisfied with that standard because it's somewhat
difficult to know which version of a part appeared more frequently, especially
for older sets. I'd prefer to see the variation which appeared first listed
as regular and any later variations listed as an alternates.
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Agreed. In fact, there's an extra layer of awkwardness in this set's
inventory - it is the only set from 1985 (and in fact, the first ever)
which lists type 4085b as primary.
It's been 15 years since the original inventory and therefore it'd be
preposterous to ask whether the souce was MISB or not; I strongly suspect
it not to have been so.
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Normally old inventories with no source are unreliable when it comes to variants.
This particular submitter, though, is an expert on Classic Space, and when I
have contacted him in the past he has been able to defend all of his old inventories
with sealed set contents.
However, this particular part presents a real problem, because up until just
a few years ago there were not good images showing all the variants side by side.
Even now there are some BL members (certain of them experienced) who have trouble
distinguishing the different types.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 13:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 207 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Normally old inventories with no source are unreliable when it comes to variants.
This particular submitter, though, is an expert on Classic Space, and when I
have contacted him in the past he has been able to defend all of his old inventories
with sealed set contents.
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To be clear, my earlier comment wasn't meant to question the original submitter's
good faith; I realize it could have been inferred as such, which was unintended.
But to follow up on a previous remark, how can we know b-type is more common
(cf: rules) from a sample of one, anyway?
I can't dismiss the original inventory as innacurate; what I can do is ask
for further input from others to establish precedence between versions, thus
properly following the rules as they stand. I suppose a review of the rules themselves
would be out of the question?
In the meanwhile - please advise how to proceed. Should I add a-type as alternate,
for the sake of inclusion?
Pedro
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Apr 8, 2018 18:55 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Normally old inventories with no source are unreliable when it comes to variants.
This particular submitter, though, is an expert on Classic Space, and when I
have contacted him in the past he has been able to defend all of his old inventories
with sealed set contents.
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To be clear, my earlier comment wasn't meant to question the original submitter's
good faith; I realize it could have been inferred as such, which was unintended.
But to follow up on a previous remark, how can we know b-type is more common
(cf: rules) from a sample of one, anyway?
I can't dismiss the original inventory as innacurate; what I can do is ask
for further input from others to establish precedence between versions, thus
properly following the rules as they stand. I suppose a review of the rules themselves
would be out of the question?
In the meanwhile - please advise how to proceed. Should I add a-type as alternate,
for the sake of inclusion?
Pedro
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I have cheanged the inventory to Type A for the moment. I'll send a note
to the original submitter to confirm the older part.
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