  
| Author: | bb200521  | | Posted: | Jan 10, 2013 05:35 | | Subject: | Re: Faverite Sellers in Wanted List (s) | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Dirac writes:
| | Your Rube Goldberg comment is a pretty big slander.
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Absolutely not,(perhaps I forgot to write the "may end in" I was thinking) only
a point of view based on return from experiences. I've have seen some small improvement
(in process as in computing) turning into what I said; because that often end
with having more criteria, hence more data, do deal with. And this were creating
problem with wasn't foreseen.
| | The feature I want is already in the "By Shop" listing it is only a small stretch
to put it into the wanted list as well. By your logic the search engine is already
overly compex. Database queries are pretty simple things to write.
As to my additional suggestions, they would be "Nice to have"
That aside, assuming I can't have this tool,
can you please suggest the process you would go about obtaining the nearly 400
unique parts (approx 4,000 bricks) I have on my wanted list.
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Choice have to be maid about which items are your priority. And personally, I
don't rely on only 1 wanted list to deal with this priority (I even don't put
quantity in the wanted list, I manage this on a spreadsheet).
Besides, trying to get all your part (I mean unique references) may be one more
problem to deal with. Because that may limit strongly the number of shop you
could buy from (and you would have to spend time to keep an eyes of each's inventory
to be sure they still have what you plan to buy).
My personal way : I place a few orders in a couple of shop fulfilling my actual
priority (sometimes getting the same references from the two), and then I complete
my cart to approach the wheight that the shipping method necessary allow me (still
keeping an eyes on price of this items) and ends with updating my wanted list.
After a couple more order like that, I usually don't have even to look really
look for some references, because I had them when completing all this order (2
pieces here + 8 there + .... = I have the quantity I wanted that few store had
in on lot)
And for the price criteria, that depend of what you really want intend to spend
in your project. Personally, ending with an average price/piece about 0.1€ (shipping
included), I consider it fair as lot's of lego sets had this kind ratio. But
when you buy a set, you buy as well pieces you don't need. Then the ratio price/useful
piece raise.
And if you think this may not work for you, in the last week I ordered 330 references
( and more than 3500 pieces) in 8 order, when I just made a search for 20 references.
And now I take a break in ordering, the time to received and check the order.
Then I'll cleaned my spreadsheet and my wanted list.And only after I will finished
to buy the few 100 references I still need (some being already partially fulfilled
with the previous order. Though I won't have to find a shop that have 100 of
on type, since I already ordered 50 of this references)
To some up : not trying to managed everything, I don't tear my hair out. I'm
only going the Kaizen way.
| | For Me:
The Easy (Expensive way):
bunte-steine.de with MOQ's of 50 parts
or
Lapasen Palikka who are on average at least 4c above the average per part (@
4,000 parts, that is $160 of postage that I would need to make it viable.
I Will still need 4 other sellers to get all the HTF's I need.
The Hard Way:
1. Scan the top 20 from the wanted list to find common suppliers
2. Mine through the seller data for each part until I Match a common seller at
a reasonable price.
3. RE-Parse each item selecting the cheapest one from my "Best Sellers" list.
4. Buy hair rejuvination cream because it is the craziest thing I have done and
I am tearing my hair out.
In Suggestions, niemand writes:
| | Just to let you know about my point of view : I buy here for about 2 years, and
start selling for 3 months. In the last 2 weeks, I sold once for 2 € and make
10 orders 300€ worth. Then the interest conflict isn't my point. And for getting
a reasonable total, strangely I don't a computing system to do it for me. (jumping
between 6 or 8 tab at the same tie work fine for me)
I just doubt that what you ask for is so easy to do and will make you fell more
comfortable. because once you get your list, you will steal have to compare the
part quality as well.
Then the total cost can't be sum-up with item prices. That depend as well of
quality, shipment, any possible additional charges..... then the premium seller
as you call them give us as well a service by offering us a large choice or quantity
of items in on place.
And speaking about seller's conspiracy, their point could be that you try to
make their efforts worth nothing, since only price seems to mean something to
you.
To conclude I'm happy with this site that charge only 3% of transactions as well
as buyer as seller. And trying to change it in a Rube Goldberg machine, isn't
a good idea....
In Suggestions, Dirac writes:
| | I think that I might be seeing a different perspective here.
I am getting "Sellers" telling me I shouldn't have the tools to allow me to find
cheaper sellers.
I think the feedback I am getting is a conflict of interest.
Lets Review:
As a buyer With 14 pages of items worth about $500 I am looking for a group of
sellers to purchase all parts from at a reasonable price. By my estimates I can
save 20%-40% on parts by avoiding premium sellers, that gives me about $100 worth
of postage to play around with - works out to about 7 sellers, more if I use
local.
Right now there is no tool to support this.
They are biased toward, and exploited by Premium Sellers with a large range of
multi-listed parts.
I can find a seller with the best coverage (Multi-list loophole excluded)
I can find the cheapest seller for each part.
What I am looking for is the "Best Sellers" List or a tool to generate my own.
I am not nieve enough to think that the cheapest part is the one I should buy,
My observations are that the "Best Sellers" appear at about #20 or #30 on the
part suppler list and there are usually between 2 and 6 of them with a price
range of 5 to 10 cents.
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My primary request is for a tool to "Float" my best sellers (for this Job) to
the top of the wanted list - the same way the "By Shop" listing works.
In data basing terms this should be an easy job. Tag Best sellers, sort to top.
I am suggesting an active/best sellers list separate to Favorites because different
jobs have different key sellers. Sets vs Minifigs vs Part outs, Different sellers
specialize in different themes, I get my grey and dark red parts from a star
wars specialist.
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Secondary Request is once I have Found My Best sellers - Provide a bulk wanted
list move to best Seller sublist.
In Suggestions, niemand writes:
| | What I see being odd, is to do wanted list per shop.... what's the point when
you can use the cart for listing part you are interested in one place. Therefore,
you're wanted list per shop may finish to mean nothing since before you place
your order, the items could have been already sold.
Futhermore, moving items from 1 list in a shop to another, you still may end
placing no order, since many have minimum order rules...
In fact, even cheap item don't mean really something. because paying 10 time
the shipping cost could make your whole purchases more expensive than buying
more expensive pieces in 1 shop only.
Finally, what you suggest is like having the site making all the job for you
? But personally I don't know any computing system that can replace a human without
very expensive development cost...
In Suggestions, Dirac writes:
| | In Suggestions, Dirac writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, Dirac writes:
| | I am a fairly new user to Bricklink and am trying to "Part Out" some modular
buildings.
First off, the tools to part out and manipulate parts are awesome, 2 thumbs up.
What I (and many others) experience is the debilitating task of finding the cheapest
order (optimum number of stores with lowest piece price).
At the moment I can see who has the most parts I am looking for (assuming they
haven't multi-listed the same part - GRRR!)
or
I can see the seller with the lowest price for each part.
I can also see how many parts my favorite sellers have.
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What I would like to see is to use my favorite sellers (ideally an additional
"Active" sellers List).
When looking at my wanted list(s) I would like the option to show "Active" sellers
first.
Reasoning:
As I find sellers with multiple, low price parts, I can add them to my active
list.
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Don't let the stores with low prices mislead you.
There might be something in their Terms wich doesn't make the prices that low.
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Before Selecting an "Active Store" I read the T&C's
| | | | My wanted list will show Active sellers at the top (With a Star like the by shop
listing)
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Kind off already exists: Sort My Most Favorite Stores on Top and My Least Favorite
Stores on Bottom in My Wanted Items By Shop.
http://www.bricklink.com/wantedSettings.asp
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Useless until you have chosen some stores, doesn't help when refining a wanted
list. Many stores multi-list so the numbers are misleading.
| | | | Parts without active sellers are easily identified and still need an active seller
found for them.
After I have found an active seller for all (most) parts, I would then be able
to easily select the cheapest active seller for each item.
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An extra feature could be an automatic Move to active seller wanted list.
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If a store didn't have the needed quantity a part shouldn't be moved.
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If a supplier doesn't have enough parts it doesn't appear on the wanted list
at all.
Splitting quantities is another feature that would be cool
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| | So, my "Set10101" Wanted list could be automatically (based on lowest price)
be moved to "Set10101-SellerABC","Set10101-SellerEFG","Set10101-SellerHIJ", Wanted
lists.
More functionality:
Option to suppress items with an active seller already found.
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Already exists by moving them to a new wantlist.
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Not helpful, an "Active" supplier that you choose after you have moved it to
the other list may have the part cheaper. Most of my active suppliers are buried
on page 2 or 3 of the more popular parts. I don't want to have to troll through
them multiple times.
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| | That way I can concentrate on finding sellers for the remaining parts.
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Already exists with the function to search by multiple wantlists: My Display
Options:
X Show Items For Sale by Items on My Wanted List
X Show Multiple Wanted Selection Lists as Multiple Options in Stores and My
Wanted Items By Shop
http://www.bricklink.com/wantedSettings.asp
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Sure and already acknowledged
Only works when you are in a shop or looking for stats.
Might find a part in the shop you are browsing for $2.00 and it is available
on another "Active" Supplier that you choose later for 12c
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Here is an example.
I need 14 2x2 Corners in Tan I had already found BrickWilbo had several other
items I needed so I moved them to My "10101-Wilbo" Wanted list.
Later in my search I figured out I needed to buy parts from Mike's Brick Emporium
- He has some HTF doors I need. Wilbo charges 8c for the corner, Mike 6c. Since
I have already moved this part to the wilbo list, I missed the opportunity to
get it cheaper from Mike. It means I have to do an elaborate second pass on my
lists to see if I can get the parts cheaper from my other active orders (I have
8 suppliers, takes about 5 minutes per part do dig through sellers that I am
not using until I find the cheapest one on my active list. I have 14 pages of
parts! this takes days to get best price! It will be quicker for me to write
a screen scraper application do dig the information out of Bricklink. If I had
Matlab I would already be using the the one written by axledad
Although as I write post and read hints from others I suspect that sellers exploit
this "non"-functionality - They have lots of basic popular parts quite cheap
and multi-listed. They then list premium items with inflated values on the assumption
that when someone has selected a supplier they are likely to fill out the order
with that seller.
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Message is in Reply To:  Re: Faverite Sellers in Wanted List (s) - BLUSER_190932 (4) | Your Rube Goldberg comment is a pretty big slander. The feature I want is already in the "By Shop" listing it is only a small stretch to put it into the wanted list as well. [...]
(139 months ago, Jan 9, 2013, to Suggestions) |
Message Has 1 Reply: | Re: Faverite Sellers in Wanted List (s) - BLUSER_190932 (4) | [...] Thanks Niemand, your method is insightful, I am coming to similar conclusions myself. I am starting with the high count, high price items such as 1x6,1x8 bricks, tiles [...]
(139 months ago, Jan 10, 2013, to Suggestions) |
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