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 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Mar 28, 2023 21:21
 Subject: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change
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Dear BrickLink members,

In May of this year, the LEGO Group plans to release a new color, and this has
implications for the BrickLink catalog and marketplace. The new color being introduced
is 375 Transparent Black, and we believe it will eventually replace LEGO color
111 Transparent Brown.

As most of you know, the greater fan community has for many years referred to
LEGO color 111 Transparent Brown as "Trans-Black". Up until now, this
name has served us well because there was no official LEGO color known as Transparent
Black. Now that the LEGO Group is introducing a color officially known as Transparent
Black, it will cause alignment problems to have the same name being used for
two different colors.

We anticipate that the introduction of this color will cause some disruptions
over the short term, but we have created a plan of action to minimize those disruptions.

The first thing we will do is change the name of the current Trans-Black color
to "Trans-Brown (Old Trans-Black)". This change is scheduled to
take place at the beginning of April. This will ensure that the name change will
be very noticeable within the catalog, set inventories, BrickLink stores, order
summaries, etc., so that the majority of BrickLink users can adjust to the change.

Next, the new color will be added to the catalog as "Trans-Black (2023)"
to make it very obvious that this is a new color and should not be used for older
set inventories and older parts being listed for sale. This addition is expected
to happen at the beginning of May when set 75346 is released and inventoried:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1398124

After a 6-month transition, we will remove the text in parentheses from both
color names. The older color will then be "Trans-Brown", and the
newer color will be "Trans-Black". This will complete the transition.

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The question arises, why have we decided to go the route outlined above rather
than leaving "Trans-Black" aligned to LEGO color 111 Transparent Brown
and creating a new color name for the new LEGO color 375 Transparent Black? There
are several reasons.

First, we want to make sure that we do not create long-term confusion between
these colors, since we believe the new LEGO color 375 Transparent Black will
become the standard color and LEGO color 111 Transparent Brown will become just
another part of the history of the brick system we all know and love. As time
goes by, the older color will not be seen as often and the newer color will be
everywhere. And after what we hope is a relatively short period of time, BrickLink
users will adjust naturally to the change.

Second, coming up with a name for a new color is not an easy task. Although it
looks darker than the current LEGO color 111 Transparent Brown, it doesn't
look much different from what most people would say is some type of "transparent
blackish gray" color. Typically, new color names grow longer over time to
help distinguish from existing colors, so we could end up with something like
"Trans-Very Dark Bluish Gray".

Longer names are something we have come to accept in a catalog that covers the
entire history of LEGO colors, but it helps lower the entry barrier to BrickLink
when we can use simpler names at least for the most common colors. Using the
relatively short names "Trans-Brown" and "Trans-Black" are ideal
instead of retaining "Trans-Black" for the earlier color and creating
a longer name for the new color.

Finally, aligning the names of the two colors with the official LEGO color names
helps us future-proof the BrickLink catalog. By aligning these color names now,
we make sure that any other colors the LEGO Group may introduce within this range
in the future would not cause any further issues.

Thank you for your patience as we make this transition.

The BrickLink Catalog Administrative Team

Message Has 26 Replies:

View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - Nubs_Select (3821)
[...] Thankyou for letting us know! the only thing that will taking some getting used to is looking at a part that (at least for me) I have never once thought was trans-brown [...]
(14 months ago, Mar 28, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - pitz8008 (14793)
[...] Why not just keep the text in parentheses? Seemed like a reasonable plan going forward. But why not just keep the text in parentheses instead of removing it after 6 [...]
(14 months ago, Mar 28, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - Darth_Smithy (1308)
Awesome! Well implemented. In Catalog, randyf writes: [...]
(14 months ago, Mar 28, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - paulvdb (7159)
[...] Are there also going to be changes to other colors where Bricklink and Lego use the same name for different colors like dark green?
(14 months ago, Mar 29, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - legomalego (404)
What happens when lego produces a trans brown that actually looks like trans brown? Or would that be trans reddish brown? :? In Catalog, randyf writes: [...]
(14 months ago, Mar 29, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - here4bricks614 (189)
[...] This is great news! Will its Satin variant be renamed?
(14 months ago, Mar 29, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - crazylegoman (1098)
What we could really use is a good photo of both colors so that we can see the difference. David
(14 months ago, Mar 29, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - wahiggin (2867)
[...] I'd be in favor of keeping the (Old trans black) in the name longer than six months. Also could we designated other colors as (Retired), such as brown, [...]
(14 months ago, Mar 29, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - stecre (2012)
[...] +1 thanks for the heads-up!
(14 months ago, Mar 29, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - SylvainLS (46)
[...] Hey, I thought we agreed on “Trans-Black-we-mean-it-this-time”!
(14 months ago, Mar 29, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - hugibricks (634)
Shouldn't this highlight the need for a single colour chart and not separate colour on BrickLink and LEGO. What is the rational that this cannot be done for all the colours? [...]
(14 months ago, Mar 29, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - tec (62)
I havent seen even basic parts ( 3001, 3003, 3004 or 3005) in this new color and we already changing names. There's a 3d on eurobricks detailing 4 shades of Trans-Clear. [...]
(14 months ago, Mar 30, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - clrv4000 (118)
I understand the need for this change, and it's funny that I never really thought about the fact that the existing color was a brown hue until you mentioned it. I presume [...]
(14 months ago, Apr 5, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - DeLuca (288)
[...] Is this confirmed? I thought that the canopy could be Satin-Trans Black.
(14 months ago, Apr 5, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - elias3 (4597)
Thanks for the info Randy. ;) Stefaan In Catalog, randyf writes: [...]
(14 months ago, Apr 5, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - jennnifer (3537)
Thanks for the update and for explaining the decision-making process for all of us. I always thought of the existing color as much more brown than black. But, then again, I spend [...]
(14 months ago, Apr 5, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - Tadream (102)
[...] Sounds completely logical to me. I still wish we could have done such a simple thing with the grays. I'd love if we could just say "Light gray" and "Dark [...]
(14 months ago, Apr 5, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - Spanky45699 (32)
Will this also have an effect on Studio? Will you change the current Trans-Black to Trans-Brown and add a new Trans-Black to the palette?
(14 months ago, Apr 6, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - Dhomal (542)
I know some have suggested keeping the transitory names longer, and I would agree with that. If not permanently. If it is not permanent, I Strongly hope that notation cane be [...]
(14 months ago, Apr 6, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - Macaronis (725)
The one and only concern I have to this change no matter what the naming becomes would be a CLEAR and DOCUMENTED change-log update to the public road map or highlighted sticky [...]
(14 months ago, Apr 6, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - Admin_Russell
[...] [...] The change to the original Trans-Black name is now live: (Part 3065,13)
(14 months ago, Apr 6, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - karlkp (349)
[...] Had anyone considered keeping the colours the same and the new colour being called "smoke" instead of trans" - just a thought
(14 months ago, Apr 7, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - legoccaz (17244)
[...] trans brown in place of trans black : serious ?
(14 months ago, Apr 9, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - jenwick (10870)
Thank you for the heads up and explaining the logic behind the decision. I strongly believe that the extended descriptor should stay for a minimum on a year.
(14 months ago, Apr 19, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - tanczy (1092)
Dear BrickLink Catalog Administrative Team, I understand the reasoning and it's OK to have similar naming with official LEGO colors. But why exactly Transparent "Brown"?! [...]
(13 months ago, May 17, 2023, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: ATTN: BrickLink "Trans-Black" Color Change - Turez (43)
Trans-Black vs. Trans-Brown:
(12 months ago, Jun 20, 2023, to Catalog)

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