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 Author: ToriHada View Messages Posted By ToriHada
 Posted: Jun 27, 2014 11:08
 Subject: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page
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ToriHada (8887)

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I don't know if this has been formally suggested before, but I suggest that
BrickLink revise the format of the Store Terms and Checkout pages to more clearly
show any and all fees the seller will charge for that order.

First, the checkout page... BrickLink should automatically calculate and show
any and all fees that will be added to the order. This is NOT about calculating
shipping. It is about calculating only fees. As such, it should be much simpler
to code. In their Store Settings, each seller will be free to set their own parameters
regarding any fees they may or may not charge. If the fee is conditional and
something like a fee of "up to $1.00" for orders "less than $10.00", this can
also be easily coded, input by the seller in their Store Settings and automatically
calculated by the BrickLink system at checkout. If a fee is not shown on the
checkout page, it cannot be charged later by the seller.

So, on checkout, the page could begin by reading something like:

Order Amount: $88.50
Shipping: To be determined
Packing and Handling Fees: $1.00

OPTIONAL additional line items can include State Sales Tax (if any, for US sellers)
and VAT (if not already included in the prices). Although this option is NOT
part of this suggestion and can be discussed and added later.

Second, the Store Terms page... Information about any and all fees should be
required to be clearly stated at the very top of that page with a minimum of
text (maybe 80 characters or less) to explain it. Information about fees should
not be buried deep in the text of long terms and conditions.

Anything that more clearly shows up-front the fees a buyer may have to pay should
be good for everyone. And, as a seller who does not charge fees on most orders,
I like the idea of my checkout page saying: "Packing and Handling Fees: $0.00".


I anticipate someone will ask how BrickLink will be able to code all the different
fees charged by sellers. First, for this suggestion to work, BrickLink needs
to limit the fees that can be charged. I would include the following as permissible
fees:

1. A simple fixed fee on all orders, or on all orders below a certain amount.
E.g. $1.00 fee on all orders, or $1.00 fee on all orders below $10.00.

2. A variable fee *UP TO* a certain amount on all orders, or orders below a
certain amount. E.g. UP TO $1.00 fee on all orders, or UP TO $1.00 fee on orders
below $10.00. The seller will need to set points where this variable fee changes.

3. PayPal fees (in countries where they are permitted). E.g. 3.9% plus $0.30
for all orders being paid via PayPal. Since most sellers that charge PayPal
fees base it on the total payment amount including shipping, and since shipping
may not be known in advance, sellers will just have to slightly increase the
percentage of the order amount to compensate for the fee portion on shipping.
BL will also need to limit the availability of this fee only to sellers located
in countries where PayPal fees are allowed to be charged to buyers. Thus, this
fee would NOT be available for US sellers.

4. Lot fees. E.g. $1.00 fee if there are 50 or more lots in the order, or $1.00
fee if the average lot amount is less than $1.00, or $0.10 fee per lot for all
lots after the 50th lot.

I know some here do not like lot fees, but BrickLink has allowed them for 14
years now and they do serve a legitimate purpose. I ask that you do not let
your aversion to lot fees (or PayPal fees) cause you to vote against this suggestion.
Instead, consider the entire package and the fact that this suggestion will
make fees more clear and obvious to you and all other buyers.

Thor

Message Has 17 Replies:

View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - dee6128 (1335)
YES! I run into this problem all the time. I now just contact the seller for a full quote which includes any costs or extra fees. Thanks Darren In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - legoman77 (3628)
[...] Excellent suggestion. Not sure that they will do that, BL resists any attempt to show the full amount charged for an invoice before the order is submitted. John P
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - Saaby (9465)
[...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - ToriHada (8887)
BTW, would implementation of this suggestion help EU sellers comply with their new laws about showing all costs to buyers in advance? I know it does not include shipping, but [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - yorbrick (1185)
For me, it depends what "Packing and Handling Fees" means. Is the physical packaging material included in the (act of) packing fee, or can this still added to the postage [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - Teup (6616)
[...] Very good, fully agree. I think BO has basically just that. Implementing it would require one thing though, a BL team that actually listens to the community and understands [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - speshy (1682)
I like it! But, as another posted mentioned, sellers might just starting padding the shipping costs in lieu of stated additional fees. I wouldn't mind adding that only [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread (Cancelled) - BLUSER_424058 (200)
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(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - RobErNat (2926)
[...] I think it would be much easier for BL to implement 2 things: Autocheckout with a predetermined shipping and handlingcost (setting by the seller, if the seller wants [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - legoman77 (3628)
[...] Mega-thread coming. I absolutely love Foster being back. The pablum is gone. Hunger games is here to stay. John P
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - enig (6370)
[...] YES. I have suggested this over a year ago, I really hope this is on their list. Either a total and complete ban of absolutely *any* fees (except shipping ofc), [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - yorbrick (1185)
The way I see it is that good sellers tend to give all this information anyway, so the change will not affect them at all. Bad sellers tend to hide information or inflate costs [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - Proprietor (1699)
[...] Great idea. And there's another way to achieve this without having to do programming. It's by requiring each store to have a unified fee disclosure chart, like [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Let's all vote for the heavy weight champion - legoman77 (3628)
[...] Let's vote, who sides with Foster and who sides with enig? I predicted a mega-thread and we have a mega thread. I predicted let the games begin, they have begun. [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - Rolf (339)
[...] Heck yes! And also ban percent based fees. :P
(121 months ago, Jun 27, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread Re: Show All Fees on Checkout and in Terms Page - TakeAbricK (13497)
[...] What about if a seller only charges PayPal fee if the buyer is not able to pay with IBAN? PayPal fee depends on the country (can be up to 5%). If a seller charges [...]
(121 months ago, Jun 28, 2014, to Suggestions)
View Thread (Cancelled) - steekstra (4360)
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(105 months ago, Oct 24, 2015, to Suggestions)

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